PaulT profile , 24 May am. If they were misled into thinking it was only available on that website, it's still extortionate even if the facts state that the photos were public record. Threat of publicity. I know for a fact that I've seen photos that originated from the mugshots site that have gone viral, to the point where one forum I frequent used to do a weekly "best of" thread.
Some of those photos remain as popular memes to this day. I don't recall having seen too many that originated with people going to the actual public source of the photos, but aggregators like these can lead to embarrassing publicity far easier. The cops usually aren't going to spread the photos across the web far beyond their own records, but the website owners might threaten to make it very visible if they don't get paid.
The extortion is therefore not dependant upon whether or not the photos can be accessed elsewhere, but whether or not they're deliberately publicised. If I threaten to doxx you using your address and phone number unless you pay me, it's still extortion even if they're publicly listed in the phone book. That threat of publicity under condition of payment is still blackmail, even if the information to be published is known on public record.
That One Guy profile , 24 May pm. Thad , 24 May pm. But it's not the publishing of the information that's the issue, it's the charging money to take it down. Uriel profile , 24 May pm. PaulT profile , 25 May am. Well, sure, I'm only going on my opinion rather than the letter of the law.
I may well be completely wrong according to the statues involved here.
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But, I'll maintain that the public availability elsewhere of information is immaterial to whether or not a specific threat is extortionate, especially if the victim is unaware of the public availability of the information. To be extortion, it would have to be a threat along the lines of "pay us money or we publish your mug shot. There is no 'or else' to it. If the state published the wrong photo there might be grounds for a defamation case, but that would properly be against the state.
All the website operators do to increase the exposure of the photos that the states don't is they make all the state's records available in one spot, rather than having to do 50 mugshot searches. There's the implied "pay us or else we will continue to publicise it as we are currently doing". The fact that they started publicity before demanding payment doesn't change that. Exactly my point.
The Wanderer profile , 25 May am. Agammamon , 23 May pm. These guys didn't trash anyone. The root problem here is the state making mugshots and accusations public rather than private. The state is demanding more power to fix a problem caused by the state. Just for the moment, set aside the mugshots, and focus on the accusations. Should the accusations be read in open court to the accused, shortly following arrest? I believe the punlic has a need to know of the accusations. It forces the police to have a reason for arresting someone yes I know trumped up charges still occur but police cant just arrest someone and not say why.
Knowing the accusations allows the public to monitor the police and justice department and lets the public know of any potential dangers in an area. For example someone accused and arrested for sex abuse of a minor should probably not be allowed alone in areas with minors.
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At least I would take precautions to keep my children out of that situation until I know more information. I think the real problem stems from our society automatically assuming guiltiness based on merely accusations. But we also shouldn't naively allow potential dangers to roam freely which is why we incarcerate people, based on the accusations, until a court determines innocence. The oft-mentioned public right to know is irrelevant here. If it's truly public information, then denying someone access would be a violation of a statutory right. And that's a federal crime.
Anonymous Coward , 25 May pm. Anonymous Coward , 25 May am. It's certainly not as definite as— In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right. AMJ , 11 Mar am. Ninja profile , 24 May am. I gave you the first word because your argument is very reasonable and it's very easy to dismiss the severity of this just because they are acting in a very sleazy way.
I was surprised with a little warning in yellow when I was about to grant the FW to you that said your comment has been flagged quite a few times and that if it is hidden I may 'lose' my credit. It was a very didactic moment for me and I wanted to share with you and the rest of the community.
I can understand those flagging your comment. The behavior these people are displaying is disgusting, it feels like extortion for sure and they come out of this generally looking bad. But we should not let that feeling of "they got what they deserve" swipe our reason. They have not committed any crime under current laws and they are protected by the Constitution. As you said, it leaves a foul taste like when I remind people that ACLU protected despicable kkk members on 1st amendment grounds and won.
And I say thankfully with a very bad taste in my mouth. But if we want to make sure we preserve our freedoms and our protections from government overreach we should devote special care for the cumbags of the world that are despicable but deserve the same protections. Because when we decide that somebody doesn't deserve them it's a situation where everybody loses.
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I urge my fellow readers who flagged the comment to take a moment and rethink it. That One Guy is not defending the scumbags. He is defending our collective freedom of speech. Sadly but fortunately it is valid to the scum of the world as well. Mason Wheeler profile , 23 May pm. What they're doing is disgusting, but it does seem to be constitutional, which means it should be legal What do you mean by this? They're not accusing anyone of a crime. All they're doing is collecting in one place, all the accusations the state has made. Yeah, these guys are scum.
No argument there. But there's larger stakes in play here. Mason Wheeler profile , 24 May am. There are 3 acts here essentially: - Copying publicly available information - Posting it on another website - Demanding payment from people to remove it from that website, with the implication that embarrassing publicity would occur if not paid, that would not be happening with the original source It's the third act that's being prosecuted here, and it's independent of whether or not the information itself is public.
But, it's not necessary for the third activity to be extortionate. As I said above, if I threaten to advertise your home address and phone number on a website if you don't pay me, it shouldn't matter that I originally obtained the info from a phone book or directory enquiries.
It's still an attempt at extortion. I am no lawyer, nor American, of course. But, that's how I'm reading it. I'll welcome corrections, but the legal availability of the photos is not the thing at question here. It really sucks when the 'bad guys' are in the right and should have all charges dismissed. Are y'all sure Kamala Harris wasn't involved in this? This entire article is forgetting something: the presumption of innocence. They were extorting money from people who had their charges dismissed or who were acquitted, and therefore in the eyes of the law were innocent.
They in no way updated the mugshot profiles to reflect that, thus they were accusing people of crimes they legally did not commit. Hence, extortion. If they are presumed innocent, should the mugshots even be released? Are those records required to be public or has the state chosen to do it? Not releasing the information before a conviction would be a more direct way to avoid harming the falsely accused. Why would these guys have a greater responsibility to do so than the state? Name , 24 May pm. Friend of mine got arrested for driving under the influence. He wasn't.
After they booked him and took his mugshot they dropped the charges. There wasn't any evidence. He refused and they refused. To this day, whenever he goes to apply for a job, he has to inform the employer about the issue. This comment has been flagged by the community.
Click here to show it. Clearly unlawful by the statute you quote Please cite the law that makes it illegal. If they refused to remove anything no court in the US would be able to force them. So if they are going to lose content then they might as well charge for the process. It must be added that I'm not defending their actions. It's slimy and disgusting as hell but it's not illegal. If you are uncomfortable with it then go talk to your legislators and see if a law can be put on the books to avoid such behavior.
A Constitutional law of course. Thad , 24 May am. It's cited in the article. Ninja profile , 25 May am. Oh, reading fail. But it's a civil offense is I understand well, no? So why jail time? There are several states, California included, that make it illegal for mugshot sites to charge a fee to remove a mugshot, and allow for civil penalties against sites that do charge. This does not strike me as "alarming statutory language.
I hope that the site operators' mugshots are, in turn, posted to Mugshots. Fair's fair, right? Or at least Gwinnett County. They passed a law a? Probably because somebodies little peach got a DUI at 17 and she offed herself. It probably wasn't because some sheriffs officers arrested a County Commissioner on trumped up DUI charges ang got his mugshot on the front page of the AJC. Pixelation , 23 May pm. I think the big issue is that they refused to remove the mugshots of people who they knew were found innocent unless they paid up.
They knew that leaving the information up would damage the persons ability to find work and damage their reputation. They used this as a lever to get paid. Sure seems like extortion to me. Uriel profile , 23 May pm. Canuck , 23 May pm. Yes, they're using public information, but it's still extortion. Hey, I found out that you've got some nasty convictions on your record - after all, it's public information.
But none of your neighbors or cow orkers are aware of your transgressions, so pay me or I tell them. I'd say "Doc" Sagansky. He ran an impressive gambling business. I was amazed. He was one of the oldest people to go to federal prison. He was in his 90s when he was behind bars because he refused to cooperate with authorities. Some of the early guys that ran with the Gustin Gang — the Wallace brothers.
One of the Wallace brothers — Stevie Wallace, his brother Frankie got gunned down in the North End by a rival gang in Steve Wallace — I've tried to research more about his life because, before he got involved in a life of crime, he was a featherweight boxer. He even made it to the Olympics [it appears] and traveled by ship to Antwerp for the Olympics. It looks like he was an alternate. The Olympic records from that year are few and far between, but from what I can tell he went and he was an alternate.
Is this gangster story a story of an old Boston, a Boston past, or does it say something about the Boston we live in now? Like I said, organized crime has always been around. So organized crime is still going on. But the story of "Whitey" and the South Boston that he grew up in and he operated in is a much different place than South Boston now. A lot of the old bars are gone and now you see fewer families living there, it's more younger people — the old story of gentrification. It's definitely a different neighborhood. I would say the same for Somerville, too — [Bulger's old stomping grounds in] the Winter Hill area.
In the course of researching this book, did gangsterism retain is romance for you? I've always been fascinated by it. But there is little sympathy on the side of the law for a college athlete who merely wants to move on with his life and forget that that stupid party ever existed — at least as much as you can when a bullet in your leg will forever set off metal detectors.
For his troubles, Hardiman serves him with a subpoena to testify. In open court, he labels the treatment to be harassment. The arrest of Polk was made a day prior to him being supposed to report to Compton. The D. His mother and grandmother are in the courtroom, near tears, anxious about too much to even start to explain. A few minutes prior, we listened to the furtively recorded interview that Hardiman and Biddle did in the hospital on the night of the shooting. Polk offers the same story: that of an ambush where he saw nothing and had no hint as to why it would happen.
The bullets hit them before they even knew what was happening. The next thing Harvey remembers is seeing Polk and Gregory being lifted on gurneys into an ambulance. Frantically searching for his friends, Harvey makes his way to the front of the party. A cop sees him and throws him into the back of a squad car, demanding his ID. So do the first round of paramedics, who take the others to the hospital, while Harvey is left to bleed all over the back of the police car. His testimony is mostly inconsequential.
But the prosecutors and detectives have admirably revealed about why no one would ever want to trust them. The South Central-raised football player shakes his head. As soon as they exit their police cruiser, they draw their weapons at a man in a white Kia. Terrified, he begins backing out of the parking space.
They respond by pumping 37 rounds into the vehicle, instantly killing year old Ryan Twyman, a father of three. He is unarmed. Led by the local chapter of Black Lives Matter, multiple anti-police brutality protests occur. Neiman Marcus know the Stinc Team and they will never forget them. The only problem was that the credit cards were stolen.
The long answer involves a complicated history of gang policing and a rich legacy of California judges and lawmakers willing to bend to every tyrannical request from law enforcement. The short answer is that the system is irredeemably fucked. Under Penal Code Section The other crimes against Ralfy are similarly inconsequential. In the surveillance footage, shot nearly a year after the murder, we watch two separate incidents.
In the second clip, Ralfy appears to be aimlessly wandering through their offices; nothing is actually taken. Several weeks later, Drakeo was arrested with the gun in a convenience store after being trailed by a patrol officer likely sent by Hardiman to stalk him. There is yes, really a separate sub-plot where the prosecution is attempting to slander Drakeo and the Stinc Team as racist against Asians.
As to the former charge, Drakeo explains that the Buddha and Cat logos of the Stinc Team stand for good business and good luck. He has reiterated multiple times how much he loves his Asian fans and Asian culture, and pointed out that he has Asian members of his family and an Asian-American attorney. But there is only circumstantial proof that the Stinc Team stole the credit cards in the first place.
So in addition to the Neiman Marcus axis, the D. In each circumstance, the victim shakes their head. Bespectacled and slim, Blacknell is cerebral, subdued and very effective. During one of the most intense days of testimony, the normally sluggish courtroom bristles with tension.
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On one side, it appears that a half-dozen Bloods have come to witness the murder trial of their dead friend. Everyone is respectful in the courtroom, but there is the feeling of a hovering rain cloud, ready to drown us at any point. When the judge tells everyone to break for lunch, a conflict seems averted. But about an hour after we return, the bailiff passes Hardiman a note. Just outside the courtroom, on the 10th floor, the bailiffs handcuff a guy in burgundy pants and a black T-shirt.
For the next 10 minutes, no one is allowed to use the elevators. No one on either side returns to court for the duration of the trial. Most days, Drakeo hits me up on my way home from trial. The inconsistencies and fabrications that Hardiman spins on the stand. The bizarre obsession that they have with him. They will comb through every Tweet and every DM, scrutinize every interaction on every social media app, every phone call. They will bust the doors down and search every inch of your property, digital and physical.
Forget your constitutional protections. A persistent cop can persuade the right judge to give them a search warrant for just about anything. For the most part, Drakeo stays calm and collected. He politely stands up every time the jury walks in, wearing brand-new Burberry and Montcler shirts that his mother and aunt dutifully bring him and Ralfy. Their spirits remain largely optimistic. Both expect to be home by mid-July.
A had guns in all their videos. None of this is easy to explain. The case is purposely esoteric to confuse the jurors. The trial has exceeded the one month mark and the district attorney seems increasingly despairing, repeating exhibits and videos over and over again. For the better part of a week, Solo takes the stand to alternately implicate and exonerate the members of his former crew. He was the only one actually identified at the crime scene — the tall, dreadlocked, light-skinned male standing outside in the parking lot, minutes before the murder.
Of course, no one was supposed to talk, but the police have long mastered the art of making people cough up blood. It was either an accident, a dumb clout gag, or both. It was all the cop needed. Acquiring a search warrant, the detective went to the apartment, ordered the popcorn ceiling removed, and discovered a bullet still lodged there.
Enough to have Solo arrested for negligent discharge of a firearm and the illegal possession of a firearm by a felon. In the interrogation room, the officers told him that the gun charges would lead to a third strike conviction, meaning life in prison. They told him that they had witnesses placing him at the scene, and footage of him holding the murder weapon. During his initial interview, Ervin lied incessantly. Racked with anxiety, aware that they already knew too much, Solo cracked. Requesting another interview, he eventually copped a plea deal, and depending on who you believe, told the detectives everything he knew.
Had he not, they were ready to sentence him to 13 years in jail for accidentally firing a gun. So there he is, 18 months later, slumped over on the witness stand, unspooling his life story in an Adidas Tracksuit. There is a sad, hangdog expression to his face, which looks uncannily like J. His sense of shame is unmistakable. He eventually returned home against their will and acquired a misdemeanor charge for receiving stolen property.
In the wake of his flip, threats have poured in via DM and text. His testimony could fatally sink both Boyd and Buchanan, his one-time friends. A close friendship was sparked. Solo officially became a member of the Stinc Team. The Turtle of the entourage. The night that destroyed it all started out exactly like any other. People wander in and out of the apartment, smoking, drinking, sipping, whatever. At some point, Solo claimed that Drakeo shows him the party on Instagram and they all make plans to go. Before they leave, Solo receives a call from Jaidan Boyd.
It immediately winds up on social. No one is hurt and none of it matters. The Stinc Team caravans in five cars to the party. Drakeo drives in the Benz with Solo riding shotgun, Kellz sitting directly behind. County, best known for producing Brandy and Ray J. Solo is asked to explain who is who and what is what: untangling a mess of a surveillance footage, glaring headlights and shadow figures. They all return to their cars.
Their eyes briefly lock. The next thing he remembers is the sound of shooting.
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People ran…there was a lot of commotion. I looked out the window I only heard firing. We thought we was under attack. Back at the apartment, no one knows whether anyone was actually hit. Boyd drops by briefly, but never actually enters the building. Solo eventually goes to sleep, waking up at 3 a. He never sees the guns after that night. From there, Solo claims that begins to distance himself from the crew, disappearing to Victorville for a week or two before returning.
Fear is a universal currency. It can be manipulated for the purposes of power and sex, societal conformity, and religious control. It is why our political situation is so bleak and why racism persists as one of the chief blights of an entire species. Fear is formidable, yet filled with weaknesses. But it is really a referendum about fear. It boasts a more professionalized tone, but a similar goal as the hard right demagoguery that governs the Trump era.
When deputy D. We see photo after photo of the Stinc Team posing in the iron-barred slums of L. In each, the D. She shows us mugshots of the crew, asking Solo to identify his former best friends. It looks like the best commemorative cover of XXL that never was. There is no sense of nuance because that would require empathy. There is little mention of rap. Instead, Cooley shows us tattoos: the Stinc Team cat and the Buddha.